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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:18 pm 
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this is what MLB did in 1997


Similar to the 1992 expansion draft, both expansion teams selected 35 players.[4] The draft was divided into three rounds. Each team would select 14 players in round 1, 14 players in round 2, and 7 players in round 3. Tampa Bay general manager Chuck LaMar and Arizona general manager Joe Garagiola, Jr. oversaw their teams' selections.

The Devil Rays and Diamondbacks could pick any player not on the protected lists of the 28 other teams, although no team could lose more than one player in a given round. The protected list for each team consisted of:

For the first round, 15 players from the rosters of their entire organization—both their 40-man roster, plus all minor league affiliates.[4]
Each team could add three more players to its protected list after each round.[4]
In addition to the above, players chosen in the 1996 and 1997 amateur drafts were automatically protected, plus players who were 18 or younger when signed in 1995.
Players who were free agents after the end of the 1997 season need not be protected.
As with the 1992 expansion draft, the order was determined by a coin toss. The winner of the toss could choose either: (a) The first overall pick in the expansion draft or (b) allow the other team to pick first and receive both the second and third overall expansion draft picks and the right to pick first in the subsequent rounds of the expansion draft. Tampa Bay won the toss and chose to select first.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:51 am 
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NO NO NO...

Further dilutes talent pool in a league that is running out of players anyway-
Travel / schedule nighmares -
Just creating 2 new spots for interim GMs -
Only takes playoffs down to 8 teams (still 27% of the entire league - we could do away with the WC by simply giving the top division winner a bye in the first round)-

I am surprised that such a fanciful proposal could even come up in a league that prides itself in realism and baseball tradition - Not no, but HELL NO

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:28 am 
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Greg_Orioles wrote:
NO NO NO...

Further dilutes talent pool in a league that is running out of players anyway-
Travel / schedule nighmares -
Just creating 2 new spots for interim GMs -
Only takes playoffs down to 8 teams (still 27% of the entire league - we could do away with the WC by simply giving the top division winner a bye in the first round)-

I am surprised that such a fanciful proposal could even come up in a league that prides itself in realism and baseball tradition - Not no, but HELL NO


1) We are not running out of players.
2) Travel/schedule nightmares? There is no actual travel effects on players. Nice try.
3) We wouldn't move forward until those positions were filled. The last couple openings have taken me less than a week to fill once I posted on the OOTP forums and started contacting people. No worries here.
4) There is a lot of back and forth about playoff teams. I'm of the opinion still that more teams making the playoffs means more interest. I originally backed Kevin's idea of eliminating the WC, but I really don't believe that is something that I would want for the league. Divisions of 4 makes competition within those divisions stronger, so I do think we could eliminate the WC teams and still 8 of 32 teams in the league would make the playoffs but those would only be division winners. We would then seed each division winner and it would be 1v4 and 2v3, best of 5 LDS, followed by 7 LCS and 7 WS.

5) You don't think that MLB will have expanded by 2039? :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:59 am 
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Just a quick take from Detroit:

expand, don't expand, I don't care.

I am firmly in favor of the WC. I'm probably biased because I've made the playoffs three times, all three by the WC and I'm stuck in a division with Harris and Shawn and the only way I'll ever make the playoffs is via the wild card. I'm just not as good at this game as alot of you guys and having at least a sliver of a chance to compete is what makes it fun. Anything that can keep good teams competing later in the season though is a good thing. A 95 win team stuck behind a 100 win team losing out on a playoff spot that goes to an 85 win team just based on division is dumb. Just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:04 am 
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and I also don't really care about the draft lottery. I have no idea how hard that would be to track and implement so I'll leave that to the people that would know and I'll plan my franchise activities accordingly.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:21 am 
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I was reaching a bit on the travel thing, but I was thinking about London and Tokyo. Expansion would open up the DH debates again, but I really worry about the talent level that is left in this dwindling player pool. When the "sprite" (?) database becomes exhausted, then what? It seems that would be a better time to discuss drastic changes to the league. Big changes will be needed at that point anyway, so why not just stick with what have until then?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:43 am 
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My only issue with it is simple but big.

This lessens competition within the season as less teams are in the playoff race. In any division with a super team (often going to be 2 divisions plus per league), those other 3 teams in each of those divisions are suddenly and quickly eliminated from the playoffs, vs being in it with the wildcard. This leads to more teams dumping and rebuilding and lessens competition within the league.

This is not, in no way shape or form, made up for by having another division title up for grabs.

This proposal, plain and simple, would lead to less teams trying to win and more rebuilding which is exactly what most folks complain about.

This also leads to a weaker 4th team in the playoffs. Within 5-10 years you will see at least 1 example if not more of a .500 or worse team making the playoffs as the "division winner".

It's a bad idea.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:52 am 
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Do I think MLB will expand by 2039?! Are you kidding? We will be lucky if we still hold democratic elections in 2039. Baseball?, Apple Pie?, Doris Day?, black-and-white saddle Oxfords? Jeezus, baseball doesn't have a chance.

...and I wouldn't hold out too much hope for the Creedence either...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:42 pm 
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If I were to look at all of the above options, here is what I would look at doing...

•Expansion plus reshuffle of divisions/leagues to balance based on market size*
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Expansion plus reshuffle of divisions within leagues to balance based on market size

•Removal of WC round

•Keeping draft in current state

*If NL adds DH

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One simple question - what is the point?

The league is working - we have great participation and pretty good competitivity - bringing in all these ridiculous tweaks with no obvious benefits will ruin the league.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:24 am 
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Phillies wrote:
One simple question - what is the point?

The league is working - we have great participation and pretty good competitivity - bringing in all these ridiculous tweaks with no obvious benefits will ruin the league.


I wouldn't say they are ridiculous.

I also wouldn't say that expansion is going to ruin anything. Did it ruin the league the other times we expanded?

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I truthfully see no problem with adding two GM's as the demand is there and the game appears to be getting more play every year. As for the WC with 8 divisions it's a bit of a thinking to devise a workable WC addition actually. With close to .500 clubs, or even .500 clubs winning divisions well that's not the end of the world now is it? The chance of them winning everything is quite remote and if a team did...well WHAT THE FUCK already. The sun will rise again the next morning. Play on McDuff.....as for ruining the league that is just not going to happen

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I probably have the opposite mentality to most of you. I like MORE playoff teams.

Make it a NBA style playoffs :) 1/2 the league makes it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:02 am 
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Phillies wrote:
One simple question - what is the point?

The league is working - we have great participation and pretty good competitivity - bringing in all these ridiculous tweaks with no obvious benefits will ruin the league.


I wouldn't say they are ridiculous.

I also wouldn't say that expansion is going to ruin anything. Did it ruin the league the other times we expanded?


Those expansions were in line with actual MLB expansions. These ones seem to be just on a whim and would be the first step towards turning this into a fictional league - if we are allowed to make up two completely new teams then why not allow owners to move their franchises to different cities?

BTW - you didn't answer my question - what is the point? Everyone in this league is fairly active and trade activity is high - why do we need two new teams and two new owners?

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